angeles, really, every recount of ?afort wellstone in minnesota shows that there's at least a thousand or more false certified votes. senator grassley pointed out there's over 2,000 non-citizens voting in iowa. we had a similar experience in florida. any time anybody bothers to look, we find out there is a lot of unqualified voters voting. florida, for example, is a particularly bad example because a lot of people vote new york once and then in florida again. they are actually getting to vote twice for the president. whenever you dig below the rock, there's a problem. problem is nobody digs beneath it if it's not a close election. >> so you're saying that the evidence comes from predominantly or exclusively the so-called close elections? >> because, of course, i don't know what the margin of victory was, but who recounts if you win by 3%? nobody checks to see who the voters were, but, sure, there's documented instances when it is looked at, brooklyn -- >> one would presume if there were conspiracies or movements or plan